Secret door maps...

Darendor · Post by **Darendor** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:27 am

Does anyone have a comprehensive map set of the dungeons in TOTU that show all secret doors?

Horpner · Post by **Horpner** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:27 pm

I can make a set, using my ascii-mapping program and Vice.

I may need to enhance it to handle the bi-directional nature of all the "connections" on the map, but it will work fine for the typically 2-way connections.

Darendor · Post by **Darendor** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:18 pm

Horpner wrote:I can make a set, using my ascii-mapping program and Vice.

I may need to enhance it to handle the bi-directional nature of all the "connections" on the map, but it will work fine for the typically 2-way connections.

Thanks, this is of course for my prototype map editor thingamabob.

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:13 am

Well, there aren't that many. They probably didn't bother with them since almost every light spell makes secret doors irrelevant. If somebody doesn't pony up a readily-available scan, I can probably list their coordinates for you as soon as I have some time to spare.

I really should scan my old maps one of these days. Unfortunately, they're in pencil.

Marco.

Brian the Fist · Post by **Brian the Fist** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:26 pm

Marco wrote:I really should scan my old maps one of these days. Unfortunately, they're in pencil.

If you really plan to scan those hand-made maps, please provide them to me as well. I will then include them into the Adventurers' Guild datapool.

And of course you would make an BT player of the very first hour (like me) especially happy!

Horpner · Post by **Horpner** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:36 pm

Secret door maps incoming, in ascii. One message per dungeon.

Obviously, do not read below if you don't want spoilers.

The map reader looks at only the northern and eastern edges of every map tile, so keep that in mind if you think you see mistakes. They are due to the lack of handling for the two-way connections.

Horpner · Post by **Horpner** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:39 pm

The Cellars

Level 1

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| -- : Walls
# ## : Doors
s ss : Secret doors
   ^ : Stairs leading up
   v : Stairs leading down
   S : Special feature
   X : Trap
   . : Random Encounter

Level 2

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s ss : Secret doors
   ^ : Stairs leading up
   v : Stairs leading down
   S : Special feature
   X : Trap
  // : Darkness
   . : Random Encounter

Level 3

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Legend:
| -- : Walls
# ## : Doors
s ss : Secret doors
   ^ : Stairs leading up
  [] : Portal leading down
   S : Special feature
   X : Trap
  // : Darkness
   . : Random Encounter

Level 4

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Legend:
| -- : Walls
# ## : Doors
s ss : Secret doors
  {} : Portal leading up
   S : Special feature
   X : Trap
  // : Darkness
   . : Random Encounter

Darendor · Post by **Darendor** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:13 pm

I don't suppose a summary of all squares in all dungeons is possible?

Horpner · Post by **Horpner** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:28 pm

Gotcha. I can do that. Look for it before the end of the week.

Darendor · Post by **Darendor** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:10 am

Horpner wrote:Gotcha. I can do that. Look for it before the end of the week.

Thanks. It's just that I've got a maelstrom of sudden activity on my end, plus my health isn't 100%. Plus I recently stopped believing in gravity.

Horpner · Post by **Horpner** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:14 pm

Here they all are. You can hopefully guess the proper level and dungeon from the file names. This is auto-generated from examining Vice snapshots, so the accuracy is good. Given below is a list of Vice snapshots containing the dungeon levels, and below each file name is a list of all the secret doors on that level, if any.

The "MOST SECRET" level seems to be, oddly, the third level of Mangar's Tower. I guess they were trying to "get" players who skimp on good light spells in the many, tiny non-darkness areas.

Note that I included the door-swapped version of Mangar's Tower Level Four as mangar4a.vsf.

cellar1.vsf

cellar2.vsf
Secret door east: 3N, 19E
Secret door west: 3N, 20E
Secret door east: 4N, 20E
Secret door west: 4N, 21E
Secret door north: 9N, 19E
Secret door south: 10N, 19E

cellar3.vsf
Secret door north: 9N, 15E
Secret door south: 10N, 15E
Secret door north: 14N, 14E
Secret door south: 15N, 14E
Secret door east: 16N, 0E
Secret door west: 16N, 1E
Secret door north: 17N, 9E
Secret door south: 18N, 9E
Secret door west: 19N, 0E
Secret door east: 19N, 21E
Secret door north: 20N, 10E
Secret door south: 21N, 10E

cellar4.vsf
Secret door north: 5N, 3E
Secret door south: 6N, 3E
Secret door north: 6N, 13E
Secret door south: 7N, 13E
Secret door north: 9N, 0E
Secret door south: 10N, 0E
Secret door north: 14N, 0E
Secret door north: 14N, 18E
Secret door south: 15N, 0E
Secret door south: 15N, 18E

catacombs1.vsf
Secret door east: 0N, 18E
Secret door west: 0N, 19E
Secret door east: 12N, 20E
Secret door west: 12N, 21E
Secret door north: 15N, 21E
Secret door south: 16N, 21E

catacombs2.vsf
Secret door north: 0N, 6E
Secret door south: 1N, 6E
Secret door north: 7N, 11E
Secret door south: 8N, 11E
Secret door east: 10N, 11E
Secret door west: 10N, 12E
Secret door east: 11N, 10E
Secret door west: 11N, 11E
Secret door east: 11N, 19E
Secret door west: 11N, 20E
Secret door east: 12N, 8E
Secret door west: 12N, 9E
Secret door north: 16N, 12E
Secret door south: 17N, 12E
Secret door north: 17N, 21E
Secret door south: 18N, 21E

catacombs3.vsf

castle1.vsf
Secret door north: 1N, 21E
Secret door south: 2N, 21E
Secret door north: 4N, 17E
Secret door south: 5N, 17E
Secret door north: 11N, 15E
Secret door south: 12N, 15E
Secret door north: 18N, 9E
Secret door south: 19N, 9E
Secret door east: 20N, 8E
Secret door west: 20N, 9E

castle2.vsf
Secret door east: 7N, 0E
Secret door west: 7N, 1E
Secret door east: 7N, 8E
Secret door west: 7N, 9E
Secret door east: 14N, 4E
Secret door west: 14N, 5E

castle3.vsf
Secret door east: 1N, 13E
Secret door west: 1N, 14E
Secret door north: 2N, 3E
Secret door north: 2N, 12E
Secret door south: 3N, 3E
Secret door south: 3N, 12E
Secret door north: 17N, 17E
Secret door south: 18N, 17E
Secret door north: 18N, 21E
Secret door south: 19N, 21E

kylearan1.vsf
Secret door east: 14N, 5E
Secret door west: 14N, 6E

mangar1.vsf
Secret door east: 3N, 16E
Secret door west: 3N, 17E
Secret door north: 4N, 17E
Secret door north: 4N, 19E
Secret door south: 5N, 17E
Secret door south: 5N, 19E
Secret door north: 9N, 7E
Secret door south: 10N, 7E
Secret door east: 16N, 0E
Secret door west: 16N, 1E

mangar2.vsf
Secret door east: 3N, 13E
Secret door west: 3N, 14E
Secret door north: 4N, 11E
Secret door south: 5N, 11E
Secret door north: 18N, 4E
Secret door south: 19N, 4E

mangar3.vsf
Secret door north: 4N, 10E
Secret door south: 5N, 10E
Secret door north: 6N, 16E
Secret door north: 7N, 9E
Secret door south: 7N, 16E
Secret door north: 8N, 6E
Secret door south: 8N, 9E
Secret door south: 9N, 6E
Secret door east: 15N, 20E
Secret door west: 15N, 21E
Secret door north: 16N, 3E
Secret door north: 16N, 12E
Secret door south: 17N, 3E
Secret door south: 17N, 12E
Secret door north: 18N, 1E
Secret door east: 18N, 14E
Secret door west: 18N, 15E
Secret door south: 19N, 1E
Secret door north: 20N, 10E
Secret door north: 20N, 13E
Secret door south: 21N, 6E
Secret door south: 21N, 18E

mangar4.vsf
Secret door east: 9N, 20E
Secret door west: 9N, 21E
Secret door north: 18N, 13E
Secret door north: 18N, 20E
Secret door south: 19N, 13E
Secret door south: 19N, 20E

mangar4a.vsf

mangar5.vsf
Secret door east: 7N, 4E
Secret door west: 7N, 5E
Secret door north: 7N, 5E
Secret door south: 8N, 5E
Secret door north: 10N, 10E
Secret door south: 11N, 10E
Secret door north: 15N, 6E
Secret door south: 16N, 6E
Secret door east: 21N, 4E
Secret door west: 21N, 5E
Secret door east: 21N, 10E
Secret door west: 21N, 11E

Darendor · Post by **Darendor** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:17 pm

Thanks, I'll be able to use this to ensure the dungeon reader gets them all right.

Horpner · Post by **Horpner** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:23 pm

Here's an interesting factoid.

The small room containing the portal up on the 2nd level of Harkyn's Castle has a special text saying: "Something is not quite right here..." (20N, 18E.)

On the Amiga version (and on the Apple ][e version), there are one-way walls here--the only examples in BT1. However, the C64 version doesn't have them. So in other words, everything is quite right here--though I suppose it's wrong for the walls to be quite right. The C64 porter must have overzealously removed this small feature, thinking it was a bug.

Darendor · Post by **Darendor** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:01 pm

Horpner wrote:Here's an interesting factoid.

The small room containing the portal up on the 2nd level of Harkyn's Castle has a special text saying: "Something is not quite right here..." (20N, 18E.)

On the Amiga version (and on the Apple ][e version), there are one-way walls here--the only examples in BT1. However, the C64 version doesn't have them. So in other words, everything is quite right here--though I suppose it's wrong for the walls to be quite right. The C64 porter must have overzealously removed this small feature, thinking it was a bug.

Where are the one-way walls, exactly?

Horpner · Post by **Horpner** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:35 pm

I've got to retract some of what I said above.

The original Apple ][e version of the game doesn't contain one-way walls here, either.

And the Amiga version has... something weird happening, but it's not exactly one-way walls. There are a couple of "phantom" walls, that appear from certain angles, but don't actually seem to exist.

Here's what the room looks like. "s5" is the location of the special message, and {} is the portal up.

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+--+--+--+
|s5      |
+        +
|   {}   |
+--+--+##+

Now, when playing on the Amiga, there appear to be one-way walls as notated below:

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+--+--+--+
|s5      |
+  +/\+  +
|  <{}   |
+--+--+##+

But you can see them only from certain angles. You have to be in the bottom left corner facing north to see one of them, and the other is only visible when standing in the top left corner or in the top center, facing east.

It must be something peculiar to the Amiga version's map storage system. Maybe the other 16-bit versions exhibit the same strange thing.

In any case, this must be an enhancement to the Amiga version, rather than a bug in any 8-bit version, since the original Apple version doesn't do it. So we still don't know what the strange thing that's going on is supposed to be.